Thanks to MissJia for ruining my weekend with this bullshit.
No.
NO.
This is absurd. It really is. This fool looks absolutely fucking ridiculous. But I’m not suppose to say anything because he’s “fighting gender norms” and “getting more in touch with his feminine” side.
Get the fuck outta here.
I’m tired of having to hold my tongue when seeing some bullshit like this because if I speak on it, I’m told that I’m “conforming” to gender norms and that I’m not open minded enough. This isn’t about gender norms or thinking outside the box or stifling someone’s creativity. This is about the fact that this guy looks horrible. Just like a fat woman in a string bikini, strutting down the beach, this guy is a ripe target to be talked about because he’s dressed to be mocked.
What really kills me about this though are the women that support this shit. You know the ones. The ones that nearly throw their shoulder out of socket trying to pat themselves on the back for being so supportive of fuckery like this. Of course when you ask them if they would ever date a guy like this the answer is ‘no”. Why? Cause while they’ll never admit it, they don’t’ want to date a man who wears women’s tights or shares their lipstick because there’s something not masculine about that. Funny thing is, these same women would spend pages online writing articles about how other men are showing their “homophobia” by calling this guy gay because he wears women’s clothing, when in reality the reason they wouldn’t date a man like this is because they’d think he was stuck in the closet. These woman’s complaints about “gender norms” are always so lopsided. This guy is “fighting gender norms” but whenever there’s a discussion about guys not paying on the first date, all the sudden its “why don’t men know how to be men anymore?” Ah, see there’s the rub. All those things “men are just supposed to do” (being a gentlemen, chivalry, etc.), those are gender norms. And you know what? There’s nothing wrong with that. Gender norms don’t mean that the other gender can’t do them too. So yeah, this guy can wear women’s clothing if he likes, but I don’t have to cheer his boldness or accept it when I know he looks absurd.
And no this isn’t about “homophobia”. Gay men are born gay. It’s natural, it’s who they are. There’s nothing wrong with that. Even Transsexuals who believe they were born the wrong gender and when they where women’s clothing, they are attempting to look like women. This asshole though? He’s a straight man, wearing women’s clothing and looking horrible. Despite his talk about how he’s “40% woman”, he ignores the fact that there are very distinct differences between men and women. From our body chemistry to the physical appearance of our bodies. Clothes cut for women are cut to fit a woman’s body, not a man’s body. I’ve recently ranted on the podcast about how they are cutting men’s clothes tighter these days and while I’m not a fan of it, if that’s this guy’s thing then he can go to the store and buy a pair of ultra skinny jeans. I’m still going to clown the fuck out of him though. He doesn’t get props for “being bold” from me, just like the oiled up fat lady who looks like she has buttered rolls on her thighs won’t get props from me for being bold enough to put on a 2-piece swimsuit. No one gives props to Pam Oliver for her horrible looking wigs do they? And every time Lady Gaga puts on one of her over-the-top outfits I become annoyed that people let her get away with looking like a clown and not focusing on her so called “talent.”
This whole “gender norms” and “hyper masculinity” bullshit has gone too far. I understand that we’ve reached this point because some extremely sexist men wallowed in their sexism so much that this overreaction was bound to happen. But this “hyper feminism” has gotten to the point where men can’t even joke or talk about “being manly” without being called sexist (see the outrage every Super Bowl because of commercials). It’s as if men have to castrate themselves to show that they can “be in touch with their feminine side”. Should men be more in sensitive and open to express their emotions? Absolutely. But I don’t need to wear women’s leggings and pink lipstick to do that.
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The only question I have is this. Why can’t some women be supportive of him, and still prefer to date men who fit the “gender norm.” I know it may seem extreme, but it is like saying “I have to be gay in order to support homosexuality and gay rights.”
In my opinion, if homeboy wants to dress like a women, then fine. It is sad that he has to disguise it as “getting in touch with his feminine side.”
Its not the same thing as gay rights at all for the reasons I mentioned in the post. You’re born gay. What you decide to wear though is a personal choice. We can clown fat people wearing ridiculous outfits or women wearing lacefront wigs but this dude puts on women’s clothing and we’re suppose to be supportive? Come on. It’s a ridiculous double standard. He’s free to wear whatever he wants but he looks absurd and I will clown him for it. And the reasoning he gives behind it, “getting in touch with his feminine side” is even more absurd that the clothes he’s wearing.
1) I am not comparing his situation to gay rights. 2) I never said everyone had to be supportive. The only thing I asked was why can’t women you prefer men who fit the “gender norm,” be supportive of this rapper’s choices? The way I look at it, my personal preferences have nothing to do with whether or not I support, or accept someone’s life choice.
As long as he is not hurting anyone, or hindering the quality of life for someone else, then I find no reason to not accept his decisions; and I support his right to make those decisions.
He’s doing too much. His girl’s weave isn’t doing enough. I have questions and they’re both making poor life decisions…. I didn’t need this today.
The shit is going to far! I blame Kanye West for this asshole.
***”This is absurd. It really is. This fool looks absolutely fucking ridiculous. But I’m not suppose to say anything because he’s “fighting gender norms” and “getting more in touch with his feminine” side.
Get the fuck outta here.”
I know this article is old by now, but still rather relevant. First off, how does he look ridiculous? I agree the lipstick looks odd, but all I see is him wearing a t-shirt and what look like tight jeans. Female clothes? What? Are you fucking kidding me? Is it because the colours aren’t subdued? Light blue and white clash with your sense of masculinity? Or was it those flowers on his pants (I can’t even tell if he has flowers on them)? They need to be baggy with flames, skulls, footballs or boobs on them.
If this passes as a “dude wearing female clothes” then this norm shit is more ridiculous than I thought. Call me when he’s wearing dresses or some shit.
***”I’m tired of having to hold my tongue when seeing some bullshit like this because if I speak on it, I’m told that I’m “conforming” to gender norms and that I’m not open minded enough. This isn’t about gender norms or thinking outside the box or stifling someone’s creativity. This is about the fact that this guy looks horrible. Just like a fat woman in a string bikini, strutting down the beach, this guy is a ripe target to be talked about because he’s dressed to be mocked.”
Because you don’t like the way it looks? Because the way he looks is not ‘mainstream’? What foolishness. You thinking the guy looks horrible is merely taste. A perceived notion, that you became used to. Why the fuck should people go around making sure they are acceptable to others’ tastes? Don’t agree with it? Fine. Don’t like it? Fine. Don’t wish to live that way? Good. But you have no place to discriminate him because of how he chooses to live his life that you don’t give a fuck about.
***”What really kills me about this though are the women that support this shit. You know the ones. The ones that nearly throw their shoulder out of socket trying to pat themselves on the back for being so supportive of fuckery like this. Of course when you ask them if they would ever date a guy like this the answer is ‘no”. Why? Cause while they’ll never admit it, they don’t’ want to date a man who wears women’s tights or shares their lipstick because there’s something not masculine about that. Funny thing is, these same women would spend pages online writing articles about how other men are showing their “homophobia” by calling this guy gay because he wears women’s clothing, ”
Agreed. Although, like Shana, I think it’s fine to a degree that there would be women who would support this way of being without romantical interest but that too many would be put off from these guys for the same reason you write this article. Mainstream views. So it’s bullshit. And if asked how a guy like this should find love, they’d say “Oh I’m sure there’ll be someone who’ll accept him” and proceed not to care. And odds would be too likely that if there were a similar movement for girls wearing “guy’s clothes,” there would be making articles like this too. But then, girls are a bit more free in that area.
***”when in reality the reason they wouldn’t date a man like this is because they’d think he was stuck in the closet.”
And that’s the problem. The idea that being feminine, flamboyant or wearing girls clothes is exclusively tied to being gay. Which it’s not and it’s a view that needs to be done away with.
***”These woman’s complaints about “gender norms” are always so lopsided. This guy is “fighting gender norms” but whenever there’s a discussion about guys not paying on the first date, all the sudden its “why don’t men know how to be men anymore?” Ah, see there’s the rub. All those things “men are just supposed to do” (being a gentlemen, chivalry, etc.), those are gender norms.”
Further agreed. Those *are* gender norms. And it’s just more that’s bullshit. But of course, it’s what this ideology reeks of; “As long as it doesn’t affect me,” “It’s fine for others but not my family,” “As long as I benefit from it.” Girls should be paying as often as guys, approaching as much as guys, opening doors as much, they should be able to sleep around as much as a guy without being called a slut, and other gender expectations, both ways, all ways.
***”And you know what? There’s nothing wrong with that. Gender norms don’t mean that the other gender can’t do them too.”
No, there is something wrong with that. Isn’t what you entire rant is about? That this guy is ‘somehow’ wearing ‘girl’s clothes’ and there’s a problem with that? Hypocrisy much? And gender norms doesn’t mean the other gender can’t do them too? Wrong. Two things wrong. First, there are plenty of things that is ‘socially unacceptable’ for one gender to do that belongs to the other. Perhaps they can physically do it, but in the face of great ridicule or discrimination or even legal trouble. Two, that’s the whole issue with gender norms. Because it’s seeing it as one gender doing something of the other gender when it just should be a neutral act performed by whomever. No ties to any gender.
***”So yeah, this guy can wear women’s clothing if he likes, but I don’t have to cheer his boldness or accept it when I know he looks absurd.”
So yeah, taste. You don’t like it and think it looks absurd because it’s unusual. If everyone were doing doing this since your were born, it’d be mundane and wouldn’t be an issue. You don’t have to “cheer” or “accept,” just don’t discriminate.
***”And no this isn’t about “homophobia”. Gay men are born gay. It’s natural, it’s who they are. There’s nothing wrong with that. Even Transsexuals who believe they were born the wrong gender and when they where women’s clothing, they are attempting to look like women.”
Grand that you accept homosexuals and transsexuals, although how could it be wrong even if it were by choice.
***”This asshole though? He’s a straight man, wearing women’s clothing and looking horrible. Despite his talk about how he’s “40% woman”, he ignores the fact that there are very distinct differences between men and women. From our body chemistry to the physical appearance of our bodies.”
Not that much. But then, it’s the differences people focus on. And there are a lot of exceptions.
***”Clothes cut for women are cut to fit a woman’s body, not a man’s body. I’ve recently ranted on the podcast about how they are cutting men’s clothes tighter these days and while I’m not a fan of it, if that’s this guy’s thing then he can go to the store and buy a pair of ultra skinny jeans.”
Right. But what if they were cut for a man while keeping the style intact? Removing the space for breasts, keeping in mind the different chest-waist-hip ratio and so on. A dress for a man, as it were. You’d still have the same problem.
***”I’m still going to clown the fuck out of him though. He doesn’t get props for “being bold” from me, just like the oiled up fat lady who looks like she has buttered rolls on her thighs won’t get props from me for being bold enough to put on a 2-piece swimsuit.”
If this were one hundred years ago, you’d have a problem with that thin wench making her way down the beach in her one-piece who looks like she spent her time working out in the fields. Way to typify beauty. And racists will still ‘clown’ the fuck out out of other races, and sexists will still ‘clown’ the fuck out of the other sex/gender and different economical classes will… you get the picture. Why should anyone expect any different from you?
***”No one gives props to Pam Oliver for her horrible looking wigs do they? And every time Lady Gaga puts on one of her over-the-top outfits I become annoyed that people let her get away with looking like a clown and not focusing on her so called “talent.”
Eh, no comment. I don’t know enough about these to say anything. Yeah, I’ve seen Lady Gaga with some of those outfits and it strikes me as unusual, but that’s because hey “they’re not usual, you don’t see them all the time, so it looks weird” and that’s the point. As for talent? Taste. Again. Not my cup of tea anyway.
***”This whole “gender norms” and “hyper masculinity” bullshit has gone too far. I understand that we’ve reached this point because some extremely sexist men wallowed in their sexism so much that this overreaction was bound to happen. But this “hyper feminism” has gotten to the point where men can’t even joke or talk about “being manly” without being called sexist (see the outrage every Super Bowl because of commercials). It’s as if men have to castrate themselves to show that they can “be in touch with their feminine side”. Should men be more in sensitive and open to express their emotions? Absolutely.”
And that’s the thing, once again. That men *have* to be masculine to be men and women *have* to be feminine to be women and there’s this giant intangible wall dividing them and a list that they each need to follow to fit. Men don’t have to be feminine or stereotypically masculine to be men. Or is your entire personality and gender identity dependant on what you wear?
***”But I don’t need to wear women’s leggings and pink lipstick to do that.”
And there we have it. The entire underlying core of this rant. Projection. Because if it’s ‘okay for men to be like this, then I’m being forced to be like that too.’ No one ever said that. And no one said that doing that is needed to ‘be more sensitive and more open with emotions.’ It’s that people, not just men, should be able to do as they please without being less of a man or woman or without being thought of as gay. It’s like saying if same-sex marriage is allowed then everybody has to marry the same sex.
What are you doing on “Miss Jia” anyway? Ugh.
***”Kriss says: We can clown fat people wearing ridiculous outfits or women wearing lacefront wigs but this dude puts on women’s clothing and we’re suppose to be supportive?”
Who says we can. I think people have problems with that as much as with anything else. Why make insult anyway? Make yourself feel better? It’s unhealthy? Let them know and help them towards being healthier. They want to be fat? Let them. Can’t think of any reason someone would make fun of someone else unless it were to make themselves feel better or superior, in company or alone.
***”shana says: As long as he is not hurting anyone, or hindering the quality of life for someone else, then I find no reason to not accept his decisions; and I support his right to make those decisions.”
Clap, clap. Agreed. Though you’ll always get someone saying that what other people do will affect them however much it doesn’t merely because it exists and they don’t want it to. Poor them.